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Professor Noura Erakat: debunking Israel’s lies

Professor Erakat

 

“(1) Israel is exercising its right to self-defense. (2) Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. (3) This Israeli operation, among others, was caused by rocket fire from Gaza. (4) Israel avoids civilian casualties, but Hamas aims to kill civilians. (5) Hamas hides its weapons in homes, mosques and schools and uses human shields.”

How many times have you heard these Hasbara generated cliches repeated on the US and UK media?

Now sit down for a few minutes and read how Professor Noura Erakat one by one dismantles all of them and exposes the moral and intellectual depravity of Zionist propaganda.

Professor ‪Noura Erakat‬ is a Palestinian American human rights attorney and as of Fall 2014, she is an Assistant Professor at George Mason University.

She has taught international human rights law in the Middle East at Georgetown University since Spring 2009.

She is also a Co-Editor of Jadaliyya – a leading online journal of critical thought on the Arab and Muslim world.

Here is a snippet from her article debunking 5 main lies of the Israelis.

Israel’s propaganda machine, however, insists that these Palestinians wanted to die (“culture of martyrdom”), staged their own death (“telegenically dead”) or were the tragic victims of Hamas’s use of civilian infrastructure for military purposes (“human shielding”). In all instances, the military power is blaming the victims for their own deaths, accusing them of devaluing life and attributing this disregard to cultural bankruptcy. In effect, Israel—along with uncritical mainstream media that unquestionably accept this discourse—dehumanizes Palestinians, deprives them even of their victimhood and legitimizes egregious human rights and legal violations.

Here is the link to Professor Erakat’s full response:

Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza—Debunked

Enjoy, learn, spread the word!

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Comment from Hussein
Time July 26, 2014 at 10:39 pm

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Comment from paul walter
Time July 26, 2014 at 11:51 pm

It certainly has been an education over the last couple of Groundhog weeks.

The current event seems identical to any number perpetrated by Israel since Sabra and Shatilla, over thirty years ago.

The events all seemed planned, including provocations toward beseiged Arab groups. They all involve organised deployments of trained military forces armed with sophisticated weaponary and all have involved little attempt to avoid civilian targets; on the contrary the chaos and grief are probably deliberatly inflicted.

They are not wars involving other nations, but Deir Yassin style terror operations.

Yet the long sequence seems to demonstrate the extent to which western populations have been brainwashed to Israel-worshipping, West-worshipping and loathing of Arab “others”.

Time after time, the Israeli operations are accompanied by massive propaganda offensives in the West.

These offensives usually involve massaging of superstitions related to religion, with Leon Uris type romanticising of civilised “us” with our backs to the wall engaged in existential defences against mid eastern people portrayed as feckless, unbalanced, fanatical cowards and sadists.

What strikes me, at various sites online, is the extent to which even the educated or progressive reveal the depth of the conditioning in their postings: the actuality of ethnic cleansing is rationalised away as two silly lots of mad folk scrapping, with a faint inscribed hint that the Arabs are the problem.

The organised and psychotic hasbara trolls are gobsmacking in their outright incapacity or mulish refusals of fact(s) when presented, as are their conservative goyisch brethren, eager to hide the messy blood stains on the hands of western nations and their leaders, presented as caped crusaders in the cause of civilisation and democracy.

But in the end, the truth is particularly base, involves Big Game politics across the region and up as far as Russia in the cause of oligarchic pursuit of resources, a factor suggested by some to be a motivation behind the current events involving Gaza, which it seems is proximate to rich petroleum deposits of one form or another.

In the end what an observer could learn is, the extent to which western politics is manipulated by the oligarchy, including international media and press and supposedly omnipotent national leaders shown to be no better than sock puppets or shopfronts for those we know much less about.

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Comment from Kay
Time July 27, 2014 at 9:21 am

Hardly convincing ‘proof’ of “Israel’s lies”! Some legalistic subterfuge, plus some other claims that have no more credibility than Israel’s own claims. This professor has given us no ‘proof’, just her own biased apology for Hamas’ actions.

A political solution requires the acceptance by both sides of the State of Israel and the separate State of Palestine. The borders have to be negotiated, of course. That is going to be extremely difficult, though. Does Hamas accept the right of Israel to exist? I gather not. Does Israel accept the right of Palestine to exist? Not sure re the answer to that one.

Here is a recent ABC radio article – with comments. Personally, I do not know enough about the details to have a view as to its accuracy, but it is another slant:

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/rearvision/the-problem-with-the-two-state-solution/5614534

Comment from Chris Warren
Time July 27, 2014 at 6:00 pm

Poor Kay

When you have been exposed – the argument of last resort is always; “biased”

If fact the sources used were authoritative and factual ie

1.) The International Court of Justice, however, rejected this faulty legal interpretation in its 2004 Advisory Opinion.

2.) Article 47 of the Hague Regulations.

3.) Quote: Netanyahu
Amid the current conflict, Netanyahu elaborated, “I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan” — a reference to the Jordan Valley and the West Bank

4.) How Netanyahu provoked this war with Gaza

5.) Factual Israeli assassinations

6). National Lawyers Guild, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.

7). United Nations: http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/20/309997/israel-uses-palestinian-kids-as-shields-un/

So it is Kay who is biased and is trying to disrupt presentation of facts she finds inconvenient.

As we have shown many time before – when Kay says anything – the opposite is the case.

Comment from Ross
Time July 27, 2014 at 11:56 pm

Kay you have to be kidding. Even the right wing foreign policy god Zibigniew Brezezinski says Israel is making a grave error in these attacks on the Palestinians.

The photos I’ve seen of butchered children, men and women would make you cringe in shame. Since WW2 Israel has stolen over 90% of their land and it is calculated genocide.

Tony Abbott shamefully says to Israel,”we are you” in support.

Keep believing everything our Zionist controlled media says Kate and pray that one day it does not happen to you.

Comment from Kay
Time July 28, 2014 at 9:07 am

Chris

Blah, blah, blah!

You have your OPINIONS – I have mine. Enough said! I have no intention of engaging in another ridiculous and endless debate with you. It is not worth it. You will only revert to personal insults and even deny you have said what you said – as so often before! As I said, a waste of effort!

Funny how it is Hamas that always breaks the ceasefire agreements. It is Hamas that always benefits from the wholesale slaughter of innocent Palestinians, not Israel. Like any crime, look for motivation. Hamas has more motivation than Israel.

Why are you so obsessed with “disruption”? Can’t handle a debate?

Comment from Kay
Time July 28, 2014 at 3:33 pm

Ross

What do you think Israel should have done in response to Hamas firing rockets at its cities? And Hamas started firing rockets before Israel retaliated in this latest conflict. Hamas and other militants in Gaza have fired more than 2,400 rockets at Israel since hostilities began on July 8, many deep into the Israeli heartland and toward most of the country’s major cities.

Israeli airstrikes have destroyed hundreds of homes, including close to 500 in direct hits, according to Palestinian rights groups. Entire Gaza neighborhoods near the border have been reduced to rubble. And the Palestinian death toll is now over 1000 innocent civilians, many of whom are children (around 50% of Gaza’s population is under the age of 14, and Gaza has one of the fastest growing populations in the world).

Of course the entire world is horrified by the death of so many civilians and is urging both sides to cease hostilities. Neither side is without blame. Israel just happens to be better protected from missile attacks than Gaza. I understand Hamas has done nothing to protect Gaza’s citizens. And Hamas rockets are definitely being launched from residential areas.

I just object to very one-sided articles like those produced by anti-Israel left wing groups. Both sides have contributed to this latest conflict and death toll. As I said above, there needs to be some move towards a 2-State solution – the sooner, the better!

Comment from Chris Warren
Time July 28, 2014 at 4:23 pm

Kay

It was you who insulted Noura by calling her biassed – when this was obviously false.

The evidence is not mere opinion.

Your opinion that Israel does not benefit from the wholesale slaughter of innocent Palestinians reduces you to a laughing stock.

If you want to pretend that this is a personal insult – remember you are the person falsely claiming others are biassed and you are the person who claims that Israel does not benefit from slaughter.

You cop what you deserve. You create the insults and then winge it when sticks most to you.

Comment from Chris Warren
Time July 29, 2014 at 1:38 am

In general it is always best to ignore Kay’s posts. She did not mention that both sides have claimed that the other side violated the ceasefire agreement from November 2012.

Kay also did not mention the report from Human Rights Watch that Israel apparently committed war crimes before the current blitzkrieg.

Human Rights Watch investigated eight Israeli airstrikes that were apparent violations of the laws of war before the ground offensive that began on July 17, 2014.

See: http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/22/gaza-airstrike-deaths-raise-concerns-ground-offensive

Kay is spreading disinformation over Hamas, suggesting they are to blame for the current slaughter.

Anyone interested can get a reasonable over-view from Wikipedia. It suggests Israel disrupted the atmosphere (“pattern of relative calm”).

Following the Israeli threats regarding Fatah-Hamas reconciliation efforts during April 2014[58][59] the pattern of relative calm since late 2012 changed abruptly. On May 15 two unarmed Palestinian teenagers were killed, one certainly by live ammunition,[60] by the IDF during the Nakba day commemorations, and video evidence revealed that they had posed no threat at the time.[61] On May 22, the UN released a report of a sharp recent increase in Palestinian casualties,[62] and the same pattern continued through June.[63] Soon after abduction of three Israeli teenagers took place on 12 June.

This last incident, it is also argued, formed the essential background for the conflict.[64] Prime Minister Netanyahu immediately blamed Hamas, of which the two kidnappers were known members.[65][66] No evidence of Hamas involvement was forthcoming.[67] Hamas leaders denied any involvement,[25] and its political chief, Khaled Meshal could neither confirm nor deny the kidnapping, though he did congratulate the abductors.[68] Further, the alleged murderers belong to the Qawasameh clan which is notorious for acting against Hamas’s policies and any attempts to reach an entente with Israel.[69] Israel launched Operation Brother’s Keeper, a large-scale crackdown of what it called Hamas’s terrorist infrastructure and personnel in the West Bank, ostensibly aimed at securing the release of the kidnapped teenagers. 10 Palestinians died in numerous raids, and several hundred senior figures and Hamas representatives were arrested,.[70][71][72] among them many of those recently freed under the terms of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange. On 30 June, search teams found the bodies of the three missing teenagers near Hebron.[73][74] Israeli authorities appear to have known almost from the outset that the three had been shot almost immediately after the kidnapping,[64][75][76][77] and it later emerged via Micky Rosenfeld that Israel police work on the assumption that the abductors were a lone cell operating independently of the Hamas leadership.[78]

Did Israel really think it could kill innocents on May 15 without finding their own teenagers kidnapped subsequently?

Comment from paul walter
Time July 29, 2014 at 1:54 am

Its not about two state solutions, its about the gas fields in the Levantine Basin and the determination of those running things that Palestinians should be cut out of any share.

Comment from Kay
Time July 29, 2014 at 10:09 am

Chris

Blah, blah, blah! You love misquoting and misinterpreting everything I say! And then trying to mount some response to blatant misquotes and misinterpretations. Definitely not a defensible approach. Why should I waste my time pointing out your blatant misquotes and misinterpretations. I’ve been down that path before, on other topics, but it produces no reasonable result.

Everyone is biased in some way or another – that’s just the way things are! The human condition. No one writes anything that fully constitutes ‘the facts’ or ‘evidence’ – just some of the ‘evidence’. When you think some story has one side only, you should know you are wrong! There are ALWAYS two sides to any dispute or issue. At least I try to see both sides of the dispute – and I do see both sides. You just prefer to see only one side – your choice, I guess. I simplifies things no end to see only one side – you know, the ‘goodies’ and the ‘baddies’. But there are TWO sides – to everything!

Everyone is appalled at the loss of innocent lives in Gaza. The world’s TV is full of the images of dead and wounded civilians, including many children – nearly 50% of Gaza’s population is under the age of 14. This is putting enormous pressure on Israel to cease hostilities. Israel has disproportionate military strength compared with Hamas. Israel has agreed to several cease fires. Hamas has not. Hamas benefits from this heart-rending TV footage, which is why Gaza is open to journalists/TV crews from around the world. Why has Hamas done nothing to protect Gaza’s citizens from rocket attack? Israel has protected its citizens. Why does Hamas locate its rocket launchers in heavily-populated residential areas, including schools? It is understandable that Hamas continues its attacks on Israel, but why do it in a way that exposes Gaza’s civilian population to greatest risk? The civilians of Gaza are paying the price of Hamas’ policies, but Hamas is receiving publicity and much-needed support. And these horrific outcomes serve to produce more militants with a thirst for revenge on Israel. Not really a good long-term result for Israel.

How many lives must be lost before there is some political settlement that results in two peaceful states – Palestine and Israel? Both parties, Hamas and Israel, are to blame for the continued hostilities. And both must accept the existence of each other as legitimate entities.

Comment from Chris Warren
Time July 29, 2014 at 8:11 pm

What a confused, crazy post from Kay.

If any of your claims that you have been misquoted or misinterpreted are true – then provide evidence.

So far all you have repeatedly produced is –

Blah, blah, blah!

Your statement

I do see both sides

was false (as we all expect now)

As I said you did not mention that both sides have claimed that the other side violated the ceasefire agreement from November 2012.

You did not mention the apparent war crimes by Israel just prior to the current blitzgrieg.

You did not mention the Israeli killings of May 15 which appears to have triggered the current Israeli slaughtering.

If you want to say that –

The civilians of Gaza are paying the price of Hamas’ policies

then a more balanced approach would be to ask: Who is extracting that price?

What smoke and mirrors will ‘blah, blah, blah’ Kay throw up next?

Comment from Kay
Time July 30, 2014 at 8:11 am

Chris

I am not wasting any more time on you. Not worth the effort – as I have learned from endless rounds of comments on previous topics. I don’t have to provide “evidence” of your misquoting and misinterpretation. It is apparent from reading my comments properly.

As I have said repeatedly, neither Israel nor Hamas are devoid of blame. And the civilian Palestinian population pays the price. This dispute has been going on for decades – one way or another. A permanent cease fire is what is needed – as being urged by the UN. Both Palestine and Israel have a right to exist in this historic homeland of both groups. Remember, Palestine was originally the Jewish homeland. The Islamisation of Palestine had its beginnings in the early Islamic period (ca. 640–1099 AD), after which the Jews were gradually forced out and dispersed around the world. Centuries of world-wide persecution, culminating in the Holocast, brought the Jews back to their historic homeland. So both groups have a right to exist there. The only viable solution I see is the 2-State solution. But I doubt I will see agreement on a 2-State solution in my lifetime.

Comment from Chris Warren
Time July 30, 2014 at 5:30 pm

So we can now all see how these people operate.

viz:

I don’t have to provide evidence

It is Kay-ludicrous to pretend that the world community should expect to allocate huge slices of the Middle East based on a developments circa 1099AD.

This is laughable. It would be akin to returning the United Kingdom to King Alfred, Boedacia and other Anglo-Saxon chieftians.

The Jews have no homeland – no more than Tarot card readers. Judaism is a religion not a ethicity. Jews, of all races, can live quite happily in many, many countries across the globe. Semites have the right to a homeland but enjoying and securing that right requires a secular state because only secular state can be all inclusive and apply equal rights to all. This is the opposite to Zionism.

Zionist terrorists (eg Haganah – Irgun – JDL), with Western complicity, created the slaughter house that is israel.

The Jews inserted into Palestine only received the same treatment the Japanese would have received if they had successfully imposed themselves into Darwin in the 1940’s. It would be entirely appropriate for Australians to reject any so-called two-state solution.

Any religious group can only claim a right to establish an enclave in another’s territory by agreement with local people and administration. No state should set itself up exclusively for one religion.

The only solution is to apply similar sanctions as were applied against apartheid and to block immediately any further immigration into Israel and return all land to Arab custodians outside the UN agreed boundaries.

The global community needs to back the UN and ensure that Security Council Resolution 478 is properly recognised.

It may be possible for a group of religious people to enjoy enclaves in the Middle East as various enclaves already exist quite happily all around the world.

In 2014, Jews only have the same rights as Mormons, Scientologists, and Druids.

Comment from Kay
Time July 31, 2014 at 8:37 am

Chris

Israel’s population is just over 8 million. The Jewish population makes up 6,135,000 (75%); 1,694,000 (20.7%) are Arabs; and, those identified as “others” (non-Arab Christians, Baha’i, etc) make up 348,000 people (4.2%).

“The Jews have no homeland.” That statement refutes history. The Jews have never, even now, been the sole inhabitants of any country, but before they were forced out of Palestine via invasions, being sold into slavery, or being expelled or killed, Jews did predominate in Palestine. Ever since they were forced out of Palestine, Jews have been subject to severe persecution over many centuries right throughout the world. Many criticised the European Jews for not fighting back against the Nazis, resulting in the death of over 6 million of them. Maybe that explains why the Jews finally fought back to re-secure their historic homeland. Before Partition, Palestine was still over 30% Jewish. Israel is still around 18% Muslim.

Israel was founded to provide a national home, safe from persecution, to the Jewish people. Israeli law explicitly grants equal civil rights to all citizens regardless of religion, ethnicity, or other heritage. However, preferential treatment is given to Jews and their relatives who seek to immigrate to Israel via the Law of Return. This serves to increase the Jewish population and provides asylum to people who face religious discrimination in the countries they emigrate from. So the Law of Return is the only time Jewishness is an issue in determining citizenship.

“Semites have the right to a homeland but enjoying and securing that right requires a secular state because only secular state can be all inclusive and apply equal rights to all.” (your words) Well, actually, Israel is a secular state. When Israel was established as a new state in 1948, a new and different Jewish identity formed for the newly created Israeli population. This population was defined by the Israeli culture and Hebrew language, their experience with the Holocaust, and the need to band together against conflict with hostile neighbors in the Middle East. This is not an identity with which Jews outside of Israel can easily identify. Since the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, Israel’s Declaration of Independence has protected freedom of religion. Many secular Israelis identify with being Jewish however religion is only one aspect of their identity. Israel became part of the United Nations in 1949. When a state becomes part of the United Nations, the state adopts the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which requires that everyone is entitled to all the state’s rights without any distinction such as religion. It also requires that everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion and has the right to show their religion in teaching, practice, worship and observance. Israel abides by these principles, and they are reflected in its Declaration of Independence. Do all Israel’s neighbours give such freedoms? Your portrayal of Israel as a purely Jewish state (“No state should set itself up exclusively for one religion.”) is totally without foundation.

There can be no peace until other Middle East countries accept the very existence of Israel as a secular state. It is only then that Israel’s borders will have any meaning. But, Israel needs to negotiate the borders of this state with a newly re-established state of Palestine.

“So we can now all see how these people operate.” Exactly who are “these people”? You have never acceded to any request of mine to “provide evidence” for any of your claims in the past, so why should I?

Comment from Chris Warren
Time July 31, 2014 at 6:57 pm

Kay simply is spreading false dogma.

If Jewishness is a factor determining citizenship, and citizenship determines other rights then Israel discriminates against non-Jews.

But it is worse than this:

Some 30 laws in Israel specifically privilege Jews, including in the areas of immigration rights, naturalization, access to land and employment.
International Zionist organizations representing the diaspora, such as the Jewish National Fund and the Jewish Agency, are given in Israeli law a special, quasi-governmental role, especially in relation to immigration and control over large areas of Israeli territory for the settlement of Jews only.

Flash your ID card and whatever government clerk is sitting across from you immediately knows which ‘clan’ you belong to, and can refer you to those best suited to ‘handle your kind’.

Only Israelis from the same religious group, for example, are allowed to marry inside Israel — otherwise they are forced to wed abroad — and cemeteries are separated according to religious belonging.

[https://archive.today/37Mc1]

In 1999, the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Jews or the descendants of Jews that actively practice a religion other than Judaism are not entitled to immigrate to Israel as they would no longer be considered Jews

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law#Acquisition_of_citizenship]

the definition of “who is a Jew” has become an important issue in Israeli politics due to the involvement of religious parties in the Knesset.
As of 2010, anyone who immigrated to Israel after 1990 and wishes to marry or divorce via the Jewish tradition within the state limits must go through a “Judaism test”

Current Israeli definitions specifically exclude Jews who have openly and knowingly converted to a faith other than Judaism (One out of every ten Israelis who married in 2000 did so abroad mainly because they could not marry in Israel.)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew]

Under Israeli law, Palestinian residents of Jerusalem who have identity cards but are not citizens of Israel cannot lease land.

Non-Jews are not permitted to live in the homes they were expelled from, even if they live in the same area, the property still exists, and they can show that they own it. They are regarded as absent by the Israeli government because they left their homes, even if they did not intend to leave them for more than a few days, and even if they did so involuntarily.

[http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_absentees]

Some 30 laws in Israel specifically privilege Jews, including in the areas of immigration rights, naturalization, access to land and employment.
International Zionist organizations representing the diaspora, such as the Jewish National Fund and the Jewish Agency, are given in Israeli law a special, quasi-governmental role, especially in relation to immigration and control over large areas of Israeli territory for the settlement of Jews only.
Flash your ID card and whatever government clerk is sitting across from you immediately knows which ‘clan’ you belong to, and can refer you to those best suited to ‘handle your kind’.
Only Israelis from the same religious group, for example, are allowed to marry inside Israel — otherwise they are forced to wed abroad — and cemeteries are separated according to religious belonging.
[https://archive.today/37Mc1]
In 1999, the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Jews or the descendants of Jews that actively practice a religion other than Judaism are not entitled to immigrate to Israel as they would no longer be considered Jews
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law#Acquisition_of_citizenship]
the definition of “who is a Jew” has become an important issue in Israeli politics due to the involvement of religious parties in the Knesset.
As of 2010, anyone who immigrated to Israel after 1990 and wishes to marry or divorce via the Jewish tradition within the state limits must go through a “Judaism test”
Current Israeli definitions specifically exclude Jews who have openly and knowingly converted to a faith other than Judaism (One out of every ten Israelis who married in 2000 did so abroad mainly because they could not marry in Israel.)
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew]
Under Israeli law, Palestinian residents of Jerusalem who have identity cards but are not citizens of Israel cannot lease land.
Non-Jews are not permitted to live in the homes they were expelled from, even if they live in the same area, the property still exists, and they can show that they own it. They are regarded as absent by the Israeli government because they left their homes, even if they did not intend to leave them for more than a few days, and even if they did so involuntarily.
[http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_absentees]

Comment from Kay
Time August 1, 2014 at 10:53 am

Chris

Most of what you describing above are the provisions of the Law of Return. As I said: “However, preferential treatment is given to Jews and their relatives who seek to immigrate to Israel via the Law of Return.” This is the only area in which the Jewish religion is used to determine citizenship – it applies to those who wish to permanently move to Israel from another country. And, after all, most countries have certain rules re immigration, although religion is not usually one of them.

“cemeteries are separated according to religious belonging.” Same as here in Australia – Catholic section, C of E section…….

Re land – a more complex issue – land is owned by the State and leased to citizens. Isn’t there a similar system in Canberra? I think there are restrictions re who can lease which land in Israel, and the various religious groups within the Jewish faith may also influence this – especially if some areas are leased to particular religious groups. And of course there are the kibbutzim. And I am also aware that there needed to be rules re what happened to ‘absentee’ lands – left behind by refugees after the partition.

But, on the whole, Israel is a secular state, with citizens free to practice their religion. I understand that even Muslims within Israel support the government against those who call for the destruction of Israel.

I just find it impossible to side with a group (Hamas) which is officially committed to the destruction of Israel, and the killing of all Jews (genocide), as opposed to the secular State of Israel which would live peacefully with its neighbours if it were permitted to do so. Israel is a small country surrounded by those who have vowed to destroy it. No wonder Israel is keen to protect itself against attacks! It has always had to fight for its very existence.

Most experts consider the 2-state solution to be the only viable long-term solution, but that can never be as long as Israel’s Muslim neighbours vow to destroy Israel. In the meantime, millions of innocent Palestinians continue to live in horrific conditions or die in conflicts.

Comment from Chris Warren
Time August 1, 2014 at 5:24 pm

Kay

Anyone can purchase a lease of land in Canberra.

People, based on ethnicity, do not have to leave Australia to marry.

Divisions in Aust cemeteries today are mundane and not based on superiorities.

“Israel” so-called was created out of the most shocking slaughter of the previous 7 tribes of western Semites who owned the territory west of the Jordan and worshiped their own Gods.

The Jews have no right to live in the land west of the Jordan. It belongs only to the descendants of people who did not believe in God.

Israel today is a house of slaughter because their God was the God of genocide.

Comment from Kay
Time August 2, 2014 at 9:36 am

Chris

“Divisions in Aust cemeteries today are mundane and not based on superiorities.” Not according to the believers! Each brand of Christianity considers itself the ‘true’ and superior brand.

The fact remains, Israel was created by the UN with the support of the rest of the world – except its Arab neighbours. And Hamas is committed to the destruction of Israel and the genocide of all Jews in the area. If they could, they would implement that policy. Given that scenario, why would Israel not fight for its very existence?

As I said, the losers are the innocent civilian citizens of Gaza. Hamas condemns them to slaughter by placing armaments, including rocket launchers, within residential areas, including schools. If Hamas had any concern at all for innocent civilians, it would not operate out of civilian areas. It could easily separate its military sites from these residential areas, but Hamas benefits from every missile strike from the Israelis.

A couple of good articles:

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/war-israels-right-exist-10987

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2014/07/16/This-conflict-is-about-Palestine-s-existence-not-Israel-s.html